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Maybe, Maybe Not!
What’s in a word? A big blow off, maybe…
When home improvement marketers and sales people hear the word “yes” from a prospect, they know what to do. They move swiftly to convert that commitment in to an appointment or a sale. By the same token, when door-to-door canvassers, telemarketers, show and event staff, or sales people hear the word “no” from a homeowner in need, they’re often quick to respond with well-rehearsed rebuttals to get that lead or potential sale. But what about maybe? Where do you go with that unwelcome and ambiguous term that doesn’t mean yes or no?
There are many examples of how we as sales people and marketers encounter maybe in the field. The most common is when the prospect says something like: “Is this your phone number?” (Marketer or sales person says yes, or nods agreement.) “Great, then I’ll call you.” Ouch!
Another instance is when one homeowner claims he or she has to talk with their spouse before making any commitment.
Whatever the method, these are smokescreens or stalls are typically a a back door way to say no thank you.

Ugly Baby
These types of objections fall in to a category that I call Ugly Baby Syndrome. Ugly Baby Syndrome refers to that very human inclination to lie rather than hurt someone’s feelings. For example, imagine a new mother pushing her baby stroller up to a good friend or total stranger. Isn’t he cute, she asks. Even if that baby’s homely, the invariable response, even from those who pride themselves on painful honesty, will be an emphatic yes. That yes issues from the same spirit that has husbands, fiancés, and boyfriends complimenting their significant others on outfits they actually find tasteless. Consequence overrules the honest answer.
This tendency in human behavior also applies when an eager marketer or salesperson asks a committing question from a prospective customer. Instead of being forthcoming, and sharing their true thoughts (that let’s say they’re not completely convinced by your company or its product), they follow their natural inclination to spare your feelings by offering some facade or diversion.
How To Handle
There are two keys to successfully handling these situations. First, develop the ability to know when smoke’s being blown your way. When I train marketers I’m careful to explain that in most cases, maybe equals ugly baby.The majority of the time a homeowner who’s telling you they’ll call you, or that they need to talk to their spouse, is brushing you off. If you know that, you can prepare for these types of statements.
Second, hold them accountable for what they say. “I’ll call you,” the homeowner says. Great! What time frame did you have in mind? Oh, and which project are you likely to contact us about first? Establishing a specific priority and a timeline will allow you to create urgency in many ways. Respond this way and you’ve sidestepped a brush-off and secured a time commitment.
The same is true when one spouse defers to the other. Get them to confirm that the other party is the decision maker. Ask if they’ve ever discussed or had estimates on replacing their siding or windows. Explain that the number one topic of conversation between spouses when discussing a much needed home improvement project is usually affordability and that no one can really talk about affordability without a price. Then close for an appointment time when you can have that information provided to both of them.
Constant resistance makes marketing and sales jobs challenging. But if you don’t recognize that resistance for what it is, challenging becomes impossible. We all know the difference between yes and no. Maybe is just a little bit more difficult to manage, but you can do it with the right coaching and training.
Cheers,
Tony
Get Smart! Revolutionize Your Lead Generation
Get Smart!
You could change your business in big ways just by using existing technology.
You need customers, and somehow, someway, you set out to find them. That, the need for lead generation, will never change. What has changed, and a lot in the last few years, is hand-held technology. I mean specifically the smart phone in your pocket or the computer tablet held at your side. These can, in seconds, download, email, and access the web, or (in the case of the phone) shoot a video and then transmit it. You may think of that device you’re talking into as an enhanced phone, a convenient way to read and respond to email at any place and time. Actually smart phones-projected to outsell laptops by the end of next year-and touchscreen tablets can and will have a big impact on the home improvement business by streamlining efficiencies, eliminating redundant procedures and making communication between the different departments in your business-sales, marketing, admin, installation-nearly immediate.
First off, think of your sales presentation. That three-ring binder will soon carry all the cultural overtones of the horse and carriage. With a smart phone in every other pocket, how will thumbing through the plasticized pages of that binder look to the homeowner, even the older prospect, when the company before you and the company after you come in with a touch screen tablet such as an iPad and use it to bring up their website, pricing, government sites featuring energy saving tips, etc.
Today these devices are relatively new to most people. Just bringing them into play in the sales presentation gives you an opportunity to get more of the homeowners’ attention. How about canvassers, store promoters and people working shows and events? Many companies outfit their field marketers with iPads and other tablets. Tablets make it easy to carry an unlimited amount of information. Marketers can display customer testimonials, product descriptions with high resolution photos, and before and after pictures. And they can do this instantly. Take a moment to watch this brief video clip demonstrating how to use an iPad as part of your canvassing strategy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0bRC2Z0i90
Smart phones and touchscreen tablets also present big opportunities for direct input from the field. Think about the efficiency you can achieve in setting appointments. Your direct marketing personnel-canvassers, show and event staff, in-store demonstrators-can enter appointments in real time, as they’re generated. This not only saves on the time and cost of data entry but gives everyone in your company an accurate and up-to-date schedule of open time slots. Office staff will no longer need to field inbound calls from marketers in the field, so they’ll be free to focus on other tasks.
One other thing. There’s a big opportunity in enlisting canvassers to take photographs and video in the field. In some case they’re simply taking photographs of bad workmanship done by unqualified contractors. In other scenarios they’re filming brief testimonials of satisfied customers that they happened to come across while knocking on doors. Check out the power of this thirty second testimonial from a customer I recently stumbled on in the field:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1N5dgjxfC0
There are tremendous benefits associated with integrating the latest technology in to your business. If you coach and train your staff properly, outfit them accordingly, and provide solid, obtainable incentives, they will take these technological opportunities and come back from the field with more than just leads. In fact, they may just surprise you….
For assistance in revolutionizing your lead generation process, feel free to contact me as always.
Cheers,
Tony
Remodeling Lead Generation Marketing Seminar, May 2010
Please join me for the annaul Lead & Marketing Seminar in Baltimore, Maryland on May 17th & 18th
Certain to be jam packed with valuable information to help you achieve all of your goals in 2011
For details inquire within – Tony@TonyHoty.com Hope to see you there!
Cheers,
Tony
2011 What’s “In Store”
Having a presence in a big box store like Home Depot, Sam’s Club, or even local retail chains like your neighborhood hardware store, have proven to be very viable lead sources for many remodeling contractors across the country. Not only do these relationships provide small businesses with a steady flow of leads, but they also give them an affiliation with a larger more recognizable name to add trust and credibility to their cause. As a result, companies who have been able to negotiate space or the presence of their staff in these stores have been able to realize a number of benefits.
In addition to the obvious benefit of more leads, there are some additional advantages to teaming up with local and national retailers. First off, many companies boast higher conversion rates with leads from this genre. Statistical analysis indicates higher conversion rates on issued leads, demo rates, closing percentages, profitability, and retention when compared to other neblius lead sources. Furthermore, by inhabiting this valuable retail space, it allows companies to level out some of the seasonality that is inherent with the industry. Companies that have a strong focus on canvassing or show & events have a place to send their well trained staff members. They may otherwise lose these employees as a result of bad weather or an intermittent show schedule.
Now that we understand the benefits of establishing a presence in the retail arena, let’s examine in-store process as well. Your primary focus should be to develop a strong relationship with the store management. Having this rapport could prove to be extremely vital in maintaining a long term presence in their store. Therefore, it is always advisable to gain approval on your company’s practices while working in their domain. Present them with your scripts and training manuals and ask for their feedback and endorsement before you begin engaging their customers. Any changes to such policies and procedures should also be submitted to gain their consent as well. Having said that, allow me to share what some of my clients and I have found to be most successful.
Engaging shoppers can be challenging. Many consumers are in a hurry to get in and get out. And they are rarely eager to flirt with sales people. Especially when they are promoting products that are totally unrelated to their visit to the store. Therefore, effective interacting with these consumers will be crucial to the over-all success of your lead generation efforts.
The survey approach tends to be quite successful. Permit me to demonstrate:
Can I help you find anything today?
No. I’m okay thanks
Well, we are asking club members to participate in a brief 8 question survey. Would you mind helping me out today?
Sure
1. How often do you shop here on a monthly basis?
3 – 4 times
2. Do you shop for home, business, or both?
Both
3. Are you satisfied with your over-all experience?
Yes
4. How many miles do you live from this location?
6 miles
5. How long have you lived at that address?
9 years
6. Do you own or rent your residence there?
Own
7. Do the monthly energy bills there exceed $100?
Yes
8. If you had member benefits that were free of charge to help you lower your monthly energy bills would you want to know about them?
I suppose so
Well, as part of your member benefits, Sam’s has designed a service that is designed to help you lower your monthly energy bills. We actually have a free service whereby we send a trained consultant out to your home. They take a look in your attic, at your hot water tank, and inspect your windows and doors. When they are done they will make some sound recommendations to help save you money. Some of these recommendations will just be good common sense that is often over-looked. In other cases the recommendations we make will cost real money like replacing windows, doors or adding solar energy or insulation. In any case, we will leave our recommendations behind in writing and we will estimate the cost of these suggestions and provide you with a price quote that is valid for one full year. With that in mind, are you available in the afternoons, or are the evenings better for you?
This survey approach tends to be a warmer less invasive way of approaching consumers. As a result your staff members are likely to engage more shoppers and set more appointments. Good luck in the stores this year! As always, for more training and assistance in this area please feel free to contact me.
Cheers,
Tony
Closers Camp by Rick Grosso, February 2010
Internet Marketing Seminar – February, 2010
Lead Handling Presentation

Gutter Helmet National Dealer Meeting
January 27, 2010
Bonita Springs, Florida
I am excited for the opportunity to work with Rodney Webb as we team up to present at the Gutter Helmet National Meeting this January.
Proper Lead Classification
(As Published in Replacement Contractor Magazine)
Before we can begin to improve our lead generation and lead handling practices, we need to understand the very basics. So our first step will be to understand how to properly classify or categorize leads. What do I mean by that you ask? Well as an industry, home remodeling contractors tend to do a poor job at comprehending the different phases of the buying cycle in which consumers may reside. Let us explore these categories.
The primary category is the A category. Consumers that fall in this segment of the shopping process are ready to pull the trigger on their next home improvement within the next thirty days, or maybe even sooner. It is not a matter of if, but with which company they will decide to move forward.
Consumers that fall in the next category, or the B category, acknowledge both a want and need for the home project, but they just don’t see how it would be affordable at the present time. These types of prospects are often very open to an estimate for planning purposes but are not very optimistic about the likelihood of making a purchase.
Finally, the last variety of lead type which falls in the C category, is a consumer that has never really given the home improvement much thought at all. After some enticement from your marketing efforts they do recognize some benefits of ownership, however they are really only willing to sit for an estimate because you are offering some type of special, or because you just so happen to be in the area estimating other projects.
Below is a link to a video where I discuss these categories in further detail during a presentation at the Starmark Window Conference in Atlantic City:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlJ4JRljlJQ
Now that we have a better understanding of these distinctly different categories of lead classification, we will be much more equipped to handle them appropriately. Keep your eyes peeled for next month’s tips as we examine these lead types more closely…
Inbound Leads vs. Outbound Leads
(As Published in Replacement Contractor Magazine)
Want more outbound leads? Here’s what you may be doing wrong.
Think there’s no difference between inbound and outbound leads? Guess again. Inbound and outbound leads are right and left, he and she, top and bottom. All the difference that matters. Most companies that are successful at converting inbound leads—inquiries that result from media ads, the internet or mass mailings—are often terrible at converting outbound leads, that is, inquiries generated by canvassing, shows/events, store demonstrators or telemarketing. In many cases, to be good at one is to be bad, or really bad, at the other. Because companies tend to specialize in the thing they’re good at, and that they are accustom to handling.
Here’s how they’re different: Inbound leads, where the customer’s calling in response to your advertising, represent a customer at a different stage of the buying cycle. The inbound calls come from people who picked up the phone or logged on to a website because they’re actively shopping and intend to make a purchase in the near future. Outbound leads? Well, they weren’t necessarily thinking of windows or siding when they ran into your marketers at that strawberry festival or Sam’s Club or when someone knocked on their door one night. You sought them out. They’ve expressed an interest, but no way is it going to be the same degree of interest. And in fact, what often happens when a marketer generates a lead, in the field or over the phone, is that the consumer is taken off guard and schedules an appointment to look at your product without having given it much thought prior to that interaction. Treat those two types of inquiries the same and you’re throwing away marketing dollars and wasting your time.
Qualify, Don’t Crucify
There are a lot of scripts out there, good ones, for handling inbound callers. Where there aren’t so many is with outbound. Handling the outbound lead in such a way that the inquiry becomes a confirmed appointment, and the appointment a demo, is trickier. Many companies, for instance, see canvass or show/event leads converting to demos well below 50%, whereas their inbound calls convert to appointments at 75% or 80%.
That’s often due to a fundamental disconnect in the way an outbound lead is handled. If your confirmer is calling an inbound lead, he or she wants to know when the various parties that own the home can both be present, and whether or not they can set aside a minimum of 90 minutes so that your representative can fully and professionally show them the product in order that they can determine whether or not yours is the company and product that best meets their needs.
And that’s fine, for an inbound lead. But let’s say you put your confirmer on the line and had him or her explain all that to someone who answered the door when your canvasser knocked. Your canvasser at the door was Joe Friendly. “Hey,” he says, “how’re you doing? We just happened to be working in the neighborhood and wondered if you’d like somebody to come by and give you free estimate on…” The prospect says sure, what the heck, why not? It’s all very casual.
Until the phone rings. When the phone rings, suddenly there are all these very rigorous questions. Now your confirmer is insisting that both parties be there and that a minimum of 90 minutes be set aside. Your prospect smells a rat. Generally, the harder you try to confirm, the less likely it is that you will ever convert that lead to a demo. That prospect will be alienated by the inconsistency of your approach. Don’t be shocked if no one answers the door when your rep arrives with samples. The prospects are probably inside, hiding under the bed. All they did was say they might be interested in finding out something about windows or siding or roofing. And now they’re into something they probably can’t get out of without a lot of stress and aggrevation.
Soft Touch Dispels Suspicion
To set that outbound lead, you need to take a soft approach. Don’t establish rigid time frames. Tell them your representative will be in the neighborhood on such-and-such an evening and ask would it be okay if he or she stopped by at eight? Also ask if it’s likely that the two of them will be home for the entire evening, because your rep has a number of calls and may be running late. Don’t lay out all sorts of terms and conditions. It’s not appropriate. You know there’s some level of interest. Now it’s up to your salesperson to determine the extent of that interest and develop it to the point of urgency.
The selling process is also going to be different with an outbound lead. The prospect who called your office already has some idea of what the investment value of the project is. Your outbound prospect likely has little or no awareness of that. You need to emphasize the investment value of the project as well as the stability and integrity of your company. If they’re calling you, they already assume you’re reputable. Whereas if you’re contacting them, that needs to be established and confirmed. Offer a strong discount—15% or 20% is the sweet spot—in exchange for them allowing your company to showcase their home and your product.
Different Lead, Different Metric
When times were good the inbound leads flowed in and companies grew dependent on them and developed cultures and systems around them.
A recessionary climate means we have to get off our duffs and go out and knock on doors. But that’s just the beginning. In addition, it’s necessary to understand that the metrics that apply to inbound leads don’t apply to outbound. You’re not going to set the same number of appointments, or demo at the same rate, because the level of interest isn’t the same. But 50% of 100 inquiries is 50 confirmed appointments. Is that not worth something?
And what happens if the people aren’t home? If you set the lead the right way, it will probably be because they forgot the appointment or had to run out for some reason. Have your representative leave a Sorry We Missed You doorhanger, then call back. Say your rep arrives and only one of the parties is home? Measure, build rapport, and set a second appointment. Don’t denounce them as amputees because they weren’t there waiting at the kitchen table with the coffee brewed. You’ve taken one step. You’re one step closer to the sale. That’s how to see it.
Why do so many companies confirm both their inbound and outbound inquiries with the same script and approach them with the same selling system? I can’t answer that question. What I firmly believe is that we should treat these prospects differently depending on the way we came in contact with them in the first place. Click the link below to watch a brief video where I discuss this phenomenon in greater detail…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v7GTIIEAJs
For more information on how to properly handle and convert inbound and outbound leads, call me. I look forward to hearing from you. — Lead Generation consultant Tony Hoty has been a home improvement company Owner, salesperson, and Marketer. Visit his Web site at www.TonyHoty.com or call him at 1-888-447-3969.
No Shows Appointments
(As Published in Replacement Contractor Magazine)
No Shows and so-called One Legs frustrate salespeople. But a sale is all in the way these homeowners are handled.
Someone from your company set the appointment. Your salesperson knocks. Then, knocks again. No one’s home. Sound familiar? Here’s another scenario. Your salesperson knocks, expecting to meet with John and Mary Jones. Mary’s there but no sign of John. Your salesperson reacts with surprise, then visible dismay, then spends several hours selling Mary ten windows, only to have the sale quashed the next day when John advises her that they’re way overpriced.
These two separate and distinct types of situations can mar your effort to turn leads into successful demos, i.e., those that result in a sale. Yet there’s a lot you can do to manage this kind of adversity. How a company handles these two types of challenges affects its conversion rate and its lead costs.
Knock Knock. Nobody Home.
Salespeople who encounter the Not Home prospect often get upset. How could they not? Valuable time and expense has been expended in hopes of gaining a genuine opportunity. And now they’re irritated at the homeowner for not being there and, sometimes, at the company for sending them on a blind chase.
There are three reasons why people aren’t home for a sales appointment when they agreed to be. The first is poor confirmation, the second is deliberate evasion and the third is just life, i.e., something more important happened or came up.
Appointments need to be confirmed soon after initial contact is made and then re-confirmed the night before the visit. In both conversations, estabslish that all interested parties will be there for the sales presentation. If they aren’t there’s a good chance that whoever’s missing will come back to nix the sale. All parties present guarantees buy-in and agreement, and minimizes the risk of rescission.
A good script will know how and what to ask and an experienced confirmer will know what kind of responses to look for. Even if the prospect has agreed to a time when both parties can and will be there, re-confirm that in the same conversation. For one thing, people may be on the line but that doesn’t mean they’re listening. Keep it friendly and light, but make sure you ask that hard question, only put it another way: Will that be a time when both you and he are at home? ‘Yeah’ or ‘Umhmmm’ doesn’t seal the deal. Take anything other than a straight-forward ‘Yes’ as a no.
Sounds of Silence
Say you’ve confirmed and re-confirmed but your prospect isn’t home anyway. Whether or not you can recover that appointment depends on how it’s handled. Regardless of why they weren’t there—now it’s a moot point—respond in a way that’s light, friendly and professional. First, have your salesperson call the office to verify the accuracy of the address. Then have someone in the office attempt to contact the homeowner after sufficient time (15 to 20 minutes) has elapsed.
If there’s no response on the phone, have the sales representative leave behind a door hanger that says something like Sorry We Missed You. This makes the homeowner aware of the fact that you did uphold your end of the agreement. Include space for a hand-written note. The note can interject urgency into the situation by saying something like: ‘Now that I’ve had a chance to see your home, I’m excited to share a special a program we offer that will be a perfect fit.’ This not only piques the homeowners’ curiosity, it also apologizes for the missed appointment without putting guilt or blame on anyone.
In business to business sales, people sometimes don’t show up for appointments as well. Things come up and life happens. Salespeople understand that. Why not apply the same attitude to homeowners? Maintain rapport and you’re in the best possible position to re-book the visit for 24 to 48 hours later. Your confirmer could start by saying: Good evening, Mr. Jones. This is so-and-so from _______ company. Did you get our note?
Not Amputees
One Legger is a term of anger and disdain. The companies in this industry that do the best job of converting those scenarios into sales use a different term. They call them One Step appointments, because if they’re handled properly the company is One Step closer to a sale.
People are busier than ever today. There are more dual incomes, more activities that involve parents and kids. If you think every call involves two people sitting in the living room with a pot of hot coffee waiting for you, you’re in the wrong business. After all, when you ran into them at Sam’s Club they were there to buy pickles. So chances are you’re going to encounter One Step calls.
Wrong way to handle them? React with surprise, or, worse, irritation.
Right way? Don’t act surprised. Greet the homeowner with warmth and enthusiasm. In the first few minutes, don’t even ask where the other spouse is. Then, when the time’s appropriate, say something like: ‘I noticed there’s a John Jones as well, is he going to be available?’
From there, do a needs assessment, including measurements. Discuss the products briefly. Leave behind references, brochures and other pre-positioning materials. All this helps instill a strong desire to schedule the follow-up visit where the full product demonstration will take place.
If the homeowner wants to know why you need to talk with both parties, the best thing to do is answer the question with a question. Ask the prospect if he or she has ever heard of the Better Business Bureau. Then explain that your company follows guidelines suggested by the Better Business Bureau, which recommends that all parties be there.
Handle With Care
The home improvement industry’s good at generating leads. Many companies have databases loaded with the names of homeowners who wanted windows, siding or a roof, who didn’t buy because of the rigid way in which they were handled.
Today, the cost of an issued lead is roughly $250, and industry-wide, about 70% of issued leads convert to demos. That makes it critical for you to streamline your procedure for confirming leads, and for handling all manner of in-home mishaps. After all, you already paid for the lead. You can either cash that check or tear it up and throw it away.
